Last year, 38 people were shot by the LAPD. Twenty-one of them died, which is the highest number of such deaths of any major city including New York and Chicago. Now, the L.A. Police Commission, which oversees the LAPD, has released a report calling for big changes in the rules governing use-of-force, which includes an effort to institute a policy that all de-escalation efforts be exhausted before force is used. We hear from the head of the commission, who also co-authored the new report.