Will I Ever Love Again? full transcript

Myisha Battle: Sometimes things run their course. It seems like you really feel like that's the case and it's okay.

Luke Franchina: Yeah, and that's where a lot of my content kind of stems from, you know, Yeah, nobody's asked. It's just, um, a way to put that out there that, you know, if it's not working, it's it's okay.

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Myisha: Welcome back to KCRW's How's Your Sex Life? Your sex and dating survival guide. I'm your host, Myisha Battle, and I'm here to remind you to pause, breathe, and check in with your five senses. Remind yourself that the present moment has a lot to offer you. Today, we're going to hear your questions about monogamy and how to heal from a breakup, and I'm here with Luke Franchina. Hey Luke!

Luke: Hi there! How's it going?

Myisha: So good. I'm so happy to have you here today. You're everyone's favorite bestie on Tiktok and known as the CEO of dumping him, you asked your followers if they needed some advice, and tons of people wrote in, which was amazing. I'm excited to get into a few of those questions with you today, but before we get started, I have a question for you.

Luke: Ooh, okay, let's do it.

Myisha: How's your sex life?

Luke: Oh! Honestly, great.

Myisha: Yeah? Tell me more.

Luke: I will! You know, so I, very briefly I'll go into this, but I went through a breakup. I was in a seven year relationship and married and 2023, mid 2023, we separated. And so I found myself very kind of just lost when it came to, like, love relationships, sex and dating and just all of that. And really, a year, it took me about a year to figure out how to recover from that and and I'm glad I did. And so in that I dated a lot, and casually, and kind of just stepped out of my comfort zone and learned what I did like, what I didn't like, and what I really come to value in this part of my life with a partner. And so my current sex life is, is great. I have a wonderful partner. We've been dating now for since, well, yeah, for about four months, I want to say. And of course, it's so cliche to say, but it happened, you know, when you least expect it, just out of nowhere. And I remember saying, like, whenever I was going through this journey of like, I'm going to focus on myself, and I really did, and I said I'm not going to force anything. I just want it to happen, and that's really what it did. So, yeah, it's great. I can give you more details. [Laughter]

Myisha: Well, I saw a recent post that you did about your current relationship. It seems like yeah, you're very much in the honeymoon, sweet, lovey, gooey. [Laughter]

Luke: Exactly. I'm like, give me all the goo.

Myisha: You got to get the goo when you have the goo, you know, yeah, get all of it.

Luke: Savor it. [Laughter]

Myisha: Amazing. Well, thanks for sharing that with us. I think that that's really helpful for people to hear, like your journey through, you know, leaving a marriage and then dating a little bit, and finding yourself finding out what's going to work next for you, and then allowing for something more serious to come about, even though, like, maybe that's not what you were planning for.

Luke: Yeah, that's exactly, I mean, honestly, I was not planning for it. I remember, and there's a video out there on the internet somewhere of me crying, well there's many videos of me crying. It was a little rough of a year, and that's and that's fine, and I think that's why I wanted to showcase because I was not okay, really, the first six months of the breakup. I took it very hard just because I felt lost. And I think now I have a lot more clarity around things. But again, I am very much in that honeymoon phase, and I think it's good to show people that it can happen again, or I want to talk about it like too, because I remember saying in a video out there, like, I'm never gonna love again. Like, this isn't I'm, like, I'm this is too much. It's not worth it. And it's, it's interesting to be in a place completely opposite from that and open to loving and being loved, so.

Myisha: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've definitely found myself in the past uttering those same words in therapy, probably while crying.

Luke: Oh, yeah.

Myisha: I get it. I get it. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's get into our first question. And just as a quick reminder, our questions are voiced by actors to keep everyone anonymous.

Question 1: I've been with my partner for six years, and I'm pretty sure I need to end it. There's no more physical or emotional connection. We're just kind of existing, and conversations don't help. There's no action to change anything. I'm tired, but I feel bad to leave after putting in so many years. Will he be okay? The thought of leaving makes me feel really guilty.

Myisha: So we've got someone who is really concerned about the other person, even though for them, the relationship is over. What do you think?

Luke: I mean, it's very relatable. You think about how they feel afterwards, or how they're going to feel. I think, and usually when you do that, you think of the worst case,

Myisha: True.

Luke: And I think a good point to bring up with that is you could also think of the best case, maybe they aren't feeling this the same way. They don't know how to articulate it. Maybe they would be better fit with somebody else in this point of their life, along with you as an individual, and they could flourish even more and you so you really never know what happens. But a big thing that I learned is like for me, I couldn't take responsibility for it, or the after, you know, actions afterwards, I had a lot of work to do around like guilt and not feeling that. It's not your responsibility to handle that for them in the aftermath, you know. So it's, I would say, if you're having these thoughts now, and it's six years, totally get it. Do you want to do this for another six years and then end up in the same position again? That was a question that, you know, I asked myself too and the answer was no. It's never too late to start over, and it seems like a daunting task, but I think that if you're having these thoughts now, it doesn't just go away and it doesn't just magically get better the more time you add to it. I think you can still be best friends and friendly in that sense, but just not have that attraction and want to move on.

Myisha: Yes, and I think that after six years, your lives are so entwined, you know, intertwined, that it is hard to not think about that. It's hard to just be like, well, I'm taking my shit and leaving, and it's like, no, you have this whole relationship that you've built. A couple things I wanted to offer here, one, I just wrote a piece for time about being okay with conditional love, like I think that it's okay for love to have conditions, that there is that foundation of trust, of, you know, safety, of, you know, feeling like you can depend on this person. And there's so many things that life throws at us, from, you know, our own internal changes to things that are happening outside of the relationship that affect us, that may change how safe, how like, trusting, and how like, how much we feel like we can depend on that other person. So if any of those things have changed, this isn't your failing. That's also something I want to say. It's like love is something that you have to cultivate together. And based on some of the things that this person has said, like, it's not just you who's feeling this like, if there's no conversations that are happening, if, like, you know, you feel this tension, but there's just no momentum or movement. Like you're at an impasse. And it could be that the love that you had in the beginning was what bolstered where, you know, what got you here, and then that's it! You know it's it's on to the next journey for both of you, if you have difficulty with the idea of not taking on their emotional stuff afterwards, it also may behoove you to check out some codependency anonymous meetings, not to say that you have to stay in the meetings, but I think during this time, it might be helpful to be in a group of people who tend to feel that enmeshment and that personal responsibility for how other people feel, generally speaking, and it might be something that can help you on your journey, as you're healing. That's, that's the thing that I really want to say, is that, you know, a six year relationship, there's a lot of people who don't have, like, never have a six year relationship their whole lives. You know, like, it's significant, right? And you're going to need some time to heal. You're going to need community around you that can support you and not judge you, or say things like, why'd you give up? Like, you know, no, sometimes things run their course. It seems like you really feel like that's the case and it's okay.

Luke: Yeah. And that's where a lot of my content kind of stems from, you know,

Myisha: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: And sometimes it comes off a little harsher, and it doesn't need to be a big drama thing, but, like, that's, again, the dump his ass was, dump his ass, it's just a way to put that out there that, you know, if it's not working, it's okay, it's nothing bad.

Myisha: Well, let's move on to our next question. I think we gave this listener, your one of your followers, something to think about for sure, and hopefully take action on. We'll see if they follow up with you. Our next question is kind of related to what we've been discussing, actually, but it's more focused on the healing journey. Let's listen to the voice memo that our listener sent in.

Question 2: Hi Myisha. So I've been going through a breakup with someone who I thought could have been the one. I'd never experienced a love like that, in fact, I didn't even know that I was capable of feeling those things, and it's been a tough breakup. But even though I think I'm now at the point where I've come to terms with why it didn't work out, and why it had to end, and why it's over for good, months and months later, I'm still really hung up on her, and I really appreciated your episode about the neuroscience, because that made me feel less crazy. But now I'm wondering, okay, am I just in an oxytocin deficit and I'm going through withdrawals, and that's why I'm craving love and intimacy? Or did I discover something about myself, which is that I actually really liked being a companion, being a partner, making love, as opposed to just having sex, and I want that to be a part of my life again. And I'm trying to figure out how specifically what I can do to process the relationship and heal, because I think maybe part of the reason why I was so attracted to her is because she's unavailable, and I knew that from day one. But what can I do to fully heal and grow and be better, healthier in the next relationship. And how do I know when I'm ready for that is my other question. You know? How do I know when I'm ready to start dating again? See if you can make sense of that for me. Anyways, thank you so much. Love the show, bye, bye.

Luke: That could make me cry!

Myisha: Yeah! Oh, there's so much good here, you know, like and that's what I love about relationships, is they do show us different sides of ourselves, and then we have to go, who the fuck am I? You know, like, if I could be so different from what I thought I was, clearly, there's more there that I have to investigate. And so I know for me, when I've come to those crossroads, and there have been several times, you know, it's not just like a one and done thing, where you learn something, and then you're like, who the fuck am I? And then you redo the work, and then you it's and everything's fine! It's like, no, there are these big changes, where you have to reconcile who the fuck you are, and therapy has helped me every single time, to give myself time and space to process. And that's the first part of this is like, how do I process this relationship? Because it did show me things about myself that I I am questioning now. I also realized that maybe falling for somebody who's unavailable, maybe there's something to that, and I think their instinct is right, that there is something to that, and that may take you back to some childhood shit. And if you're not ready for a professional yet, there are some great books about attachment, like there's this great book called Attached that you could start with to learn a little bit about your patterns. I also really love a book called The Relationship Cure. They talk about relationships more globally, so not just romantic relationships, but you know, family, friends, work relationships, basically like, what are the patterns that you're bringing into all of these different environments, and where might that be coming from, but I love how much this relationship opened up for this person just right off the bat me.

Luke: Me too. Like, I got goosebumps again just now, because, like, what, what a beautiful thing to make mention that, like, they couldn't even, they didn't even know they could love this much. They didn't even know they were capable of this, and the feelings they had were like, whoa, this is new. And it's like when you're an adult and you find something out about yourself, exactly what this individual is doing is searching for wait, I can grow, I can do more. There is more to me. I am an onion! You can peel back more layers. I'm delicious! This is incredible!

Myisha: Yeah!

Luke: Like it's just, it's like, oh, and I look so that part just struck with me, because it's like, wow!

Myisha: So then there's this other element too here that I want to talk about, which is, how do you know when you've healed? And I would love to hear from you, Luke, about like, what your thoughts are on that, like, what's the healing process? And it can be messy, right? But like at some point you've got to start dating again. You've got to start, you know, thinking about what you want for your future.

Luke: Yeah, exactly, and I mean, this again, gives me goosebumps to talk about, just because I remember, for me, healing was a black box. I was like, what is in there? What am I going to pull out? And also, what am I going to learn from this? And how do I go forward? And, you know, how do I not feel so sad? I was so sad, and I tried, you know, self medicating just doesn't work. It made it worse for me. And I was like, okay, that's not working. And I remember, I had a conversation, and another person was there, and they said they had mentioned, well, just pretend like it didn't exist! And I looked and I was like, I don't, I don't want to do that. I I really think for me, I want to be able to heal and I think healing for me is being able to look back at the memories made, the relationship, the good things, and smile instead of cry. And I don't want to look back and just think of the negative. I want to look back and say, wow, I had a great time at this point, and I'm a different person now, but I've learned so much, and I'm, I'm happy I did. And I think when I when my mind shifted to that finally, by the way, I never thought I was going to get there. I was like, that's never going to happen for me, because every time I would think about it, I would just be, I would cry and everything would just bring up. I would look at a potato chip bag that I remembered I ate on this vacation four years ago, and and then it would just make me sad. And instead of looking at the potato chip bag now, and I'm like, oh my God, that vacation was so fun. I met these other these other people, and we played cards on deck, and I learned a new way to play this card game like and so my mind started shifting like that, and I think that was when I really was like, whoa. I'm healing. I don't feel as much pain. I feel positive about the future, and I and I'm feeling good about myself now, better about myself. It's always a journey with that, but I'm not dwelling on the path in a negative way.

Myisha: I love that, and I can totally relate. You're just in that dark place until you just like, see, like a little glimmer of light, and you're like, Whoa. It can be a little bright and warm in here?

Luke: Oh my gosh, that's so true. The feeling, the shift, that's yeah, the feeling the shift part is, yeah, it was, it was quite sudden for me and and it was unexpected. I went on a, I was supposed to go to, I was going to a wedding, and it was in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and I had RSVPed, and I was supposed to go with, you know, my previous partner, my ex husband, and we broke up, and I had a decision, because we had a few months and we're friendly, we're not like we're not on bad terms, we just are not meant for each other. And that trip changed my life. I kept everything the same. I had I so I was flying into Salt Lake, and I had rented a convertible, and I was like, I'm gonna do I wanted to do road trip. And I remember, I didn't want to do it alone. I was like, oh my god, I need to do it. I need to bring somebody else. So I had gone on a date with with a guy once, and I was like, I'm gonna invite him. And he said, oh yeah, he'll go, he'll go, etc. Well, like three days before he canceled. And, or actually it was, it was the night before, and I just got an irking feeling a few days before. And I was like, what the heck? Anyways, I go. I did that. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, I can't cancel on the wedding. Hello? I was like, but I have all this booked already. I'm like, so either I cancel the booking and I try and figure out how to fly directly into there, or I just say, fuck it and then just do it with myself. So I said, fuck it, I'm going and I flew to Salt Lake City, got my car rented, and I went on like, a four or five hour road trip through the mountains. I stopped, took pictures. I stopped in these small, little areas, got food. I had the convertible down. I was blasting music. I was crying, I was laughing. And I remember I was, I was such a mess. I was, it was, it was I I'm glad there wasn't somebody there with the camera full time, because they'd be like, this person is unhinged. But I was, like, eating a cheeseburger, crying, and I remember I just stopped in the middle of the mountains at one part, and I was like, I am happy. Like, I feel happy right now. I feel hope. I'm like, Oh my gosh, wait, this is good for me. So I just wanted to touch on that, because it was something that put me out of my comfort zone, and I knew that, and I'm so glad I did that. I'm so glad I I took that step, because it was so unexpected and it shifted me. My mentality,

Myisha: Yeah, yes! Thank you for sharing that, because, yeah, it's, it's all part of the process. The process is not like I start here and end there. Sometimes there's a drive through the mountains cry laughing while you eat a cheeseburger. So one thing I want to say too is like, like people put so much pressure on themselves to be fully healed before they find a new partner. And I have to say there's like, all these things can be happening at once, right? Not to say, go out and and start dating immediately to, like, fill that void. I think it's good to give yourself some time to process. But you don't need to wait until you're like, perfectly, perfectly happy, wonderful, fully healed person. Because I'm not, I'm not that, you know, like I'm not even that. [Laughter]

Luke: No, and I think on that point too, like something I value so very much about my current partner and my partner, he's very easy to talk to about he knows I'm healing and he's healing on stuff too, but the way we converse about it, we can have a conversation about how we're doing with that healing journey, and I don't feel guilt. It's incredible. And I didn't think I could actually find somebody to have those conversations with, until I was, you know, I actually didn't want to have those conversations. I was like, I'm going to be perfect and healed and and, and they're going to be like, wow, look at him perfectly healed! And I'm gonna be like, on a pedestal, my hair is going to be blowing in the wind. I'm going to feel like Beyonce! But that wasn't reality, and it's nice to know that I feel so secure in that aspect as well. So, you don't have to be healed completely, like you said.

Myisha: I love that. I just, I'm so happy for you that you have found that!

Luke: I know it's literally I I've, I've never cried so many happy tears.

Myisha: Yeah, that's so great. And I think that I am wishing this for our question asker as well, that, you know, they get on their healing journey, process some stuff. Go out there again, make some mistakes. It's fine, you know, like, if you jump the gun and you realize you're not ready, that's fine! Just go back to your process, continue on. And then, you know there, there is a sense of this. You'll have a shift, like you will feel a shift.

All right, well, we're going to take a quick break, but when we get back, we're going to hear from someone who's struggling to find a monogamous relationship. Don't go anywhere!

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Myisha: And we're back! Luke, this question was shared by one of your followers. Let's take a listen.

Question 3: Why are there no gay men who are monogamous anymore? And what do I do if I want monogamy?

Myisha: I have thoughts? Do you?

Luke: Yeah. So my initial thoughts are, you know why is there no monogamy? I think through, through living experience as a queer individual, I've learned that a lot of people have, we just have such a different idea of what relationships and roles are, and roles and socially constructed roles, and how we can design our relationships. I'm a monogamous person. It just I, I have, especially I learned over the past year when I was dating people and they were open, and that was, that was the mindset there. And I tried it, and I was like, you know, like, this is not for me. And I know that. I think a lot of times, though, people like pin like, one is bad and one is better than the other. And I think it's like, that's not true at all. I think if that works for you, that's incredible. And I love that so much. And I think a lot of times it's because people equate sex as the same as love, and so some people will view it as more like it's an activity, it's not really emotion to them, and they view love in just different senses. So I think that's my initial thought with that. What do you think?

Myisha: No, I think you're fully correct. I think like non-monogamy as like a kind of answer to compulsory heteronormative monogamy, you know, can feel really liberating. Yeah, I think that's that is true for a lot of people, and then for other people, it's like, well, I maybe don't fit into the heteronormative idea of what love is, but I have this strong desire to have one relationship, maybe one relationship at a time, or one relationship for the rest of my life, like whatever your concept is of love and security and feeling taken care of in a relationship, you know? Everybody has different ideas, I think you're right, about what works for them. And I think, like, sometimes it's, you know, in the straight world, if you're not monogamous, then that's like, weird. And then if you're in the queer world and you're monogamous, then that's weird. Like, you know, it's just like, let people live! Let people do what they want to do, and as long as it's not like infringing on your ability to have the kind of relationship that you want to have with people, I think that's fine. The question of, like, how to find monogamy in the gay world, I think, is a really great one, and one that I've worked with clients on in the past. You know, I've had gay male clients who are just like, I want to get married and I want to have kids and I want the white picket fence, and I like, call me boring, but I think that's great, and I've encouraged them to say that. I think it's so important to just on the outset, just be like, I am here for a monogamous relationship. And the reason I mentioned earlier that, like, it seems weird in, you know, the gay male world in particular, it's like, I think that that sometimes de incentivizes people to say that they want monogamy. Because, you know, it's so, it's so, it can feel sometimes like it's counterculture to want monogamy.

Luke: I feel that especially because, you know, communicating that I think it's hard coming from me, who is an active, recovering people pleaser.

Myisha: Congrats, me too.

Luke: Communicating that, my communication, for me is like, I'm like, I'm working on it, and I think I've grown so much with it, because, you know, when I I was so worried about communicating it to people and then them writing me off, which happened, and that's okay!

Myisha: Right, right.

Luke: But for me, I'm viewing it as like, okay, that that's not my person for me, and I'm not going to force them, and I hope they wouldn't force me to want to skew that, you know? I'm not going to go to somebody who wants an open relationship, has an open relationship, and say, you, let's date, you have to be in a monogamous relationship. That's that's not going to work. It's just it's not and understanding that is from the beginning is, I think, crucial. And I also think like making sure to have these conversations ongoing and revisiting them, because, you know, again, when relationships, people change, thoughts change, processes change, and you grow in different ways that you didn't think. And I think some people are afraid to re bring that up, because maybe at the beginning you're both on the same page, and then you realize you're not five, six years in somebody's cheating. And then you're like, what's happening here? I think a lot of times people are afraid to bring that up, but I think constant communication with it is extremely important. Now finding somebody, for me, I didn't make it, I wasn't like shouting from the rooftops like, I'm monogamous! I only want monogamous! I only want monogamy. I was just trying to find what I liked and valued in people, you know, that was where my mind was, and there's a lot of, there's a lot of queer spaces in the city I'm in, which is Saint Petersburg, Florida, and it's, it's very like safe. So I could be at a normal bar, and I could, I could meet a guy and and he could be gay, he could be straight. And I think a lot of times I fell into the trap at one point of scrolling on just like the hookup apps, and then filtering off of there and being like, oh my god, but I really wasn't looking for a relationship on there, because, you know, I was, I was trying to fulfill a need in that moment. And so I think that it's just interesting. It's an interesting process. There is finding one can be a little more challenging, but I think just focusing only on that closes you off to a lot of people, because some people just don't talk about it on the first date.

Myisha: Yeah, absolutely. And I'm, I'm actually curious where this person is. Obviously, we can't, we can't know, but here in the Bay Area, there are a lot of, like, you know, singles events happening specifically for different demographics. So that's something that I would recommend, because people who are going to a singles meetup, or, like, a speed dating event for gay men, like, they're more likely to be, like, relationship focused, at the very least, and maybe leaning more monogamous. Who knows? There might be some non monogamous people that are just like, Ah, I'm gonna show up to this event and see who I meet. But, yeah, that's something where, when you have that structure, you can actually talk about it, I think because, to your point, Luke, like, if you're at a bar and you're meeting somebody, it's maybe not the first thing you learn about someone?

Luke: Yeah, exactly. You're not like, oh my gosh, you're drinking a vodka soda! Are you monogamous?

Myisha: Right! Doesn't flow.

Luke: What are your thoughts on monogamy? Like, yeah, it doesn't flow well, it's like you're just trying to initially start that conversation there and but I don't think you should ever, I'll just make a note here. I don't think you should ever have to or change like you're if you want monogamy, like, don't be like, okay, I'll settle like you don't need to settle.

Myisha: Yeah, I agree.

Luke: There's no settling here, and especially on the other side too, if you want an open relationship, don't settle for monogamy like you don't have to.

Myisha: Yes, okay. Well, I hope just hearing your experience will inspire this person to stay open and keep the faith that there are other folks that are looking for monogamy in the gay community. Well, it's time for our last segment. I have three questions for you that are all related to sex, dating, relationships. Are you ready?

Luke: Oh! Let's do it.

Myisha: Okay. You get to pick which one you want to answer. So just pick one. Here are your choices. A, who was your gay awakening? B, who do you turn to when you need relationship advice? And C, what did you learn about yourself through your divorce?

Luke: Ooh, well my gay awakening, honestly, is like it's this henchman from this movie, The Stupids, and that I watched when I was, like, 11, so, like, I don't even know his name. I don't know what he looks like. I just remember sitting there being like, wait a minute. Like, so that's not really, I can't really talk about that too much, I guess I'll do C.

Myisha: Okay! What did you learn about yourself through your divorce?

Luke: So throughout my divorce, I learned that my capacity to love is a lot larger than I thought, and it's a lot deeper than I ever expected. And after I was excavating, excavating, excavating, excavating that.

Myisha: Excavating, yeah.

Luke: Digging through it! I kept finding little pockets of things that surprised me about myself, and things like what makes me actually happy, and things like little treasures like what I value in a relationship and how certain moments in that before the divorce and after divorce made me either feel good or bad, and how I did or did not want those moving forward. And I think I learned just I had a lot more love to share and receive and capable, and I'm capable of doing that more than I could have ever imagined.

Myisha: Yeah, and it's almost like their relationship, obviously, I'm sure was, it's own learning, but the process of separating and leaving, that is, I don't know, it's like a weird, I don't, I even struggle to say this, because I think it gets thrown around a lot, but it's like, that's also a gift, right? Like, I don't know, sometimes having the strength to leave, knowing that it's time to leave, all of that, like plays into it and and also, like having the strength to go through something like that on on your own, you know, not completely on your on on your own. I'm sure you had community, but like so much comes from that process of like, just being out, doing the work of you, you know?

Luke: And I think I learned too, like, I don't, I tried to do so many things alone and, and that's when I actually started posting on social media about it, because, you know, I I've had my dump his ass, you know, brand like and and then when I was going through it, I'm like, oh my gosh, okay. I'm like, I'm really going through it. I can handle this. And there was a point where I'm like, I can't handle this by myself. I need community, and I need to feel understood. And I wasn't able to find that outside of it, so I just started posting, and it really did help me in that aspect, too, and understanding that I'm not alone, because people go through this every day, and they get through it every day, and so, like, you can get through it. You're able to get through it, you're capable, you're strong, you're enough, you're you're so enough. Like, I think a lot of people forget that, you know, just because one person didn't value you or doesn't value you, there's an individual out there who's gonna think you are enough and value every single part of you. Yeah, and that's an incredible thing.

Myisha: That is incredible. Thank you for sharing that. This has been amazing. I feel like I could talk to you all afternoon, but yeah, before I let you go, I would love for people to hear where they can find you, follow your work, dig into that journey, maybe go through the archives, if they're in a place where you know they need support, and want to jump in on your journey, yeah, where can people find you?

Luke: Absolutely, thank you. So I'm on Instagram, TikTok and Threads at the same username, which is at Luke Franchina, Luke l, u, k, e and Fran and then China. It's easier way to spell it, but yeah, I'm gonna get my YouTube channel here started soon, in the next six months or so. But just would love to have you there and make sure you know that you're valued and loved.

Myisha: Great. Thank you so much for being here Luke.

Luke: Thank you!

Credits

Myisha: "How's Your Sex Life?" is a KCRW original podcast. Our producer is Andrea Bautista. Our executive producer is Gina Delvac. This episode was mixed by Nick Lampone. Our music was created by Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs. Special thanks to Pyramind Studios, Myriam-Fernanda Alcala Delgado, Arnie Seipel and Jennifer Ferro. And a big shout out to our voice actors. We'll let them introduce themselves on the way out.

VO 1: This is Priya Balachandran, thanks for listening.

VO 2: This is Michael Joson. See you next week for another episode of KCRW's How's Your Sex Life?